Symposium #2: Butch Stereotypes, Cliches, and Misconceptions | Butch Lab.
Where to even begin? Well, first, I suppose to detail the most recent prompt:
What do people think “butch” means? What are the stereotypes around being butch? What do people assume is true about you [or about your masculine of center friends], but actually isn’t? What image or concept do you constantly have to correct or fight against? How do you feel about these misconceptions? How do you deal with them? Do you respond to these stereotypes or cliches? How?
That’s a lot of questions, and a whole lot of touchiness underneath ‘em, if you ask me.
There are so many stereotypes, cliches, and misconceptions about us all that it’s a little difficult for me to filter through those to the ones that only apply to “butch.” What’s always interested me, from a bizarrely anthropological perspective, is that the lesbian communities I’ve moved around in almost seem to have a bigger problem with butch than do the hetero folks.
See, butch might represent the heteros’ worst nightmares, but it’s also what they expect. The “woman who wants to look like a man, be a man” makes sense to them. Those stereotypes are pretty basic, as such things go.
Out here in the gays, though, it’s a whole different ball game. I’ve heard a range of cliches, misconceptions, and flat-out assumptions that would make your hair curl.
Butches are sexist, chauvinistic, misogynistic. They’re all blue collar. Butch and stone are the same thing. Butch is the queer equivalent of a “strong, silent type.” Butches are only attracted to femmes and straight women.
And that doesn’t begin to touch the assumptions that accompany a high femme presentation like mine… but this is about my guys, not about me.
It’s almost like the image of butch, even (and maybe especially) among gay and queer society is some kind of adaptation of the Marlboro Man, crossed with Rooster Cogburn. The ideal butch is apparently so like a man that they pass regularly and like it that way.
Um. Guys? That’s a transman. Just for the record.
I’ve written a zillion blog posts about how these stereotypes annoy, irritate, and generally piss me off. Usually, in response, I have a word or two for the perpetrator. But in my overall daily life, I can’t say that I engage the cliches and misconceptions in any concrete fashion. I love who I love, and don’t pay much attention to the ripple effects.
I haven’t remained friends with anyone who had a pervasive problem with my attraction to butches and transguys. The people with whom I strike up new friendships now don’t know me in any other context than married to a transguy. I think the biggest issue that I’ve encountered with other people is their surprise to hear that Rhett and I have some very nontraditional roles and responsibilities within our relationship.
Even the people who have no problem with us as we currently present (Rhett being pre-op and pre-T, butch-femme) are surprised to find out what a fantastic cook Rhett is. There’s usually a little bit of a raised eyebrow when they find out that he’s the one who has the big, squishy soft heart when it comes to animals. I’ve had countless people ask me how we handle the career aspects of our relationship, and if Rhett has a problem with me having a greater earning potential than he does.
Those are the kinds of questions that straight women who work outside the home get, too. So I guess you could say that most of the misconceptions that I do take the time to correct, when I come across them, have more to do with distinguishing “butch” from “biologically male” than with anything else. Because men who were born male and socialized that way don’t tend to cook dinner for their families without prompting. They don’t have that nurturing instinct fostered in them the way guys born female do.
I’ve written elsewhere, too, about how I think butch chivalry is the masculine expression of female socialization. To be the caregiver is traditionally a feminine role – but most of the butches I’ve met are the most protective, generous, and affectionate of people. It just shows up differently for them than it does for me.
I really do believe that most of the cliches and misconceptions about butch have stemmed from the feminist and post-feminist movements. I hate to say that, hate to throw my womyn-loving-womyn girlfriends to the wolves, but it’s true. The fight against male privilege was so brutal that, at some point, everything remotely associated with masculinity got painted with a very black brush.
It’s painful to watch a marginalized minority continue to marginalize within their own ranks, but it happens every day. Gays and queers are no better. We have our own caste system, and stepping outside that to be who we are and to love who we want is a daily choice to take the rough road over the smooth.
I guess there are things I do to directly address and combat these stereotypes. I write here (although usually, that’s kind of preaching to the choir). I write in a more “mainstream” gay venue, Card Carrying Lesbian. I educate my friends and family gently when necessary, and less gently when needed.
And I walk out the door every day with my husband, holding hands, in an act of silent activism. He’s mine, and I love him, and it shows.
Looking for more? Check out the joint blog, filled with gushy marital ad nauseum, at This Side of the High Speed Rodeo. You can also find me sounding off as a Guest Lesbian, at Card Carrying Lesbian, on my adventures as a transwife in an oh-so-straight world.

I liked this. I’m a feminist but I also recognize that most feminists have forgotten that the basic idea of feminism is that women are people, too, not that men are evil incarnate. Which they aren’t. At least not collectively. A few might be. But then so are a few women I know. Anyway. Good post. Excellent come back post!
(This is me, responding to comments to make my brain work and maybe jiggle loose a little writing inspiration.)
I’ve met evil incarnate twice; one male, one female. And don’t get me wrong… I went through my uberdyke militant phase, too. I get the appeal. But it’s such a narrow, black-and-white way to view the world that it just didn’t stay comfortable for long. I’m a big picture kinda chick.
I like this. Especially the part about feminists. Even though I’m a feminist…this is a great post.
Thanks! I love the Symposium. I say it in practically every comment, every month; it’s still true.
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[...] Joliesse Soul at This Side of Changed on Butch Stereotypes: I’ve heard a range of cliches, misconceptions, and flat-out assumptions that would make your hair curl. Butches are sexist, chauvinistic, misogynistic. They’re all blue collar. Butch and stone are the same thing. Butch is the queer equivalent of a “strong, silent type.” Butches are only attracted to femmes and straight women. … It’s almost like the image of butch, even (and maybe especially) among gay and queer society is some kind of adaptation of the Marlboro Man, crossed with Rooster Cogburn. … I’ve written a zillion blog posts about how these stereotypes annoy, irritate, and generally piss me off. [...]
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In reading all these Butch Lab symposium posts, I’m struck by how many people mention chivalry, and also the blue-collar stereotype of butches. I like your description of chivalry as the masculine expression of the caring most born-females are socialized with (did I get that right?). I’m going to keep thinking about this blue-collar, non-intellectual stereotype…
Hi Lenore, and yeah, you got it right. I realize it’s an odd interpretation, but it seems to be my experience if not everyone’s.
I think the blue collar stereotype comes from the history and origin of butch/femme. In most places where the dynamic sprang up, women didn’t typically work at all, much less in male-dominant industries like on a manufacturing floor or in a machinist’s shop. Commonly, economically, the women who could do the work were stronger than average, and that trended for lots of reasons into “butch.” Women who “looked like” women were able to get office work if they were lucky, or took to the streets if they weren’t, but most women who did not have a man providing them economic support fell into the lower-middle or working classes by virtue of the fact that they made ridiculously little money. Blue collar meant survival, and then became adopted as an earmarker characteristic of butch, for better or for worse.
*ahem*
This may or may not have something to do with my planned Master’s thesis – sorry to run on at the fingers in response!
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The paragraphs on how feminism has affected these stereotypes really struck me. I hadn’t thought about that part of it, honestly. But, it’s true. I myself am one of those ‘old school’ butches and present and pass as a man on a daily basis so it’s something I think about a lot. Marginalizing within our community has always pained me to see. What’s worse is that people who are doing it just don’t see it as such. It’s my belief that when we can all finally accept each other within the community, society as a whole will then accept us, as well.
Thank you for your words.
Wendi – thank you for your comment! (I’m horribly, disgustingly behind in both commenting and responding, apologies.) I’m interested in how much feedback I’ve gotten about the feminist angle of my post, and it’s something I’ve thought a lot about over the course of my queer evolution.
I really cannot find a way to agree strongly enough with your statements about how the acceptance from within our community will trickle outward to mainstream society.
You phrased it beautifully, and I’m glad you did so in my comments!
[...] Joliesse Soul at This Side of Changed on Butch Stereotypes: I’ve heard a range of cliches, misconceptions, and flat-out assumptions that would make your hair curl. Butches are sexist, chauvinistic, misogynistic. They’re all blue collar. Butch and stone are the same thing. Butch is the queer equivalent of a “strong, silent type.” Butches are only attracted to femmes and straight women. … It’s almost like the image of butch, even (and maybe especially) among gay and queer society is some kind of adaptation of the Marlboro Man, crossed with Rooster Cogburn. … I’ve written a zillion blog posts about how these stereotypes annoy, irritate, and generally piss me off. [...]
This whole post is great, but these two paragraphs really put into a nutshell something I’ve been spewing a lot of words around:
“I really do believe that most of the cliches and misconceptions about butch have stemmed from the feminist and post-feminist movements. I hate to say that, hate to throw my womyn-loving-womyn girlfriends to the wolves, but it’s true. The fight against male privilege was so brutal that, at some point, everything remotely associated with masculinity got painted with a very black brush.
It’s painful to watch a marginalized minority continue to marginalize within their own ranks, but it happens every day. Gays and queers are no better. We have our own caste system, and stepping outside that to be who we are and to love who we want is a daily choice to take the rough road over the smooth.”
Oh hell yeah. From my experience in the lesbian/queer community, the backlash against butches and butch/femme relationships came from the feminist overkill reaction to anything remotely male. The separatists didn’t want anything to do with anyone or anything remotely related to men, penises, masculinity, etc. Hence the interesting spellings (womyn), sex toys made to look like anything but a penis, and rejection and hostility toward butches and femmes.
These attitudes are changing, but very slowly in some parts of the world. I think a lot of butches and femmes are understandably gun-shy about being out and open. The more of us who can step out our doors with pride, the better.
I hope that, just maybe, an unintended side-effect of the recent anti-bullying campaigns might be to dial back some of the divisive nonsense within the queer community.
I’m not saying we’re bullies!
But it’s easier to pull together when we’re reminded that we are a family here on the Isle of Misfit Toys.
And I gotta say it, because you made me think it; fluffy-bunny- and dolphin-shaped sex toys give me the heebiejeebies!